incursion on the ukrainian border, that includes cyber attacks and the responsibility that russia has when maligned actors in their country are executing the kind of talk about issues of consensus. there are issues like nuclear proliferation. and we ve signed an extension of the new s.t.a.r.t. treaty. there are things where it s in our interest in the united states to work collaboratively with the russians. it will be a direct conversation and our aim is to have a stable, predictable relationship. how are y all viewing these two weeks? you put together the putin issue, and the issues you hope to bring up with him, with boris johnson and the g-7 and the nato summit, what is the thread through this? it was extraordinary that the president of the united states felt he had to begin the trip yesterday, by saying, democracy effectively is on the edge. and it s on us to preserve it and to hold fast. so does the president view his role over this next week or so
barnicle. host of way too early, casie hundredth, and ed luce. joe, listening to the president at the top of the hour here. he talks about this inflection point, the challenges we face. how democracy is prevailing, america is back but i think the one difference has been the challenge to democracy has been within the u.s. and joe biden s task is to show and tell not only our adversaries that we re in charge again. well, you know, there have been ill liberal forces that have been posing challenges to western-style democracies in the united states. we are certainly dealing with it now with a former president who s trying to undermine the results of a democratically run election. but you also have that in other
like donald trump will get re-elected in a couple of years? that s a very good yes, because as you say, biden is there to proclaim that america back. and he s there to persuade his g-7 allies that his democracy versus his agenda, particularly with regards to china, is something that should unite europe and the united states and japan. and he is constrained in the fofrs that message by the fact that america at home has its own democracy versus autocracy fight. and america s allies are watching what s going on here as closely as we are. they know there s no guarantee that in 2025, there won t be a president who signs up to that
in the uk and i m sure it was the same around europe. when donald trump spent that period between election day last november and inauguration day, trying to make sure that he didn t have to give away the presidency, give up the presidency, people watched very closely. and there was a lot of alarm. it wasn t just that it was president trump being president who was disdainful of multi-lateral relationships and alliances, it is the whole american political system. in 2016, america s democratic ratings, international democratic ratings was downgraded from a perfect democracy to a flawed democracy. that is america s status at the moment. it is considered a flawed democracy in global rankings of democratic countries. and that is because it is a system that is fragile, and i think that transition of power that was rocky and dependent on just a individuals and states like germany and arizona doing
that he s not going to be susceptible to any of biden s message on democracy, on human rights, and on how nations should behave in the 21st century. i think that, you know, the difficulty that biden has had. some have criticized him for even agreeing to this meeting. they believe it confers legitimacy on putin. i think biden s probably right in saying, look, diplomacy is about talking to your adversaries. not just about talking to your friends. and the fact that he s meeting putin after having met every single western ally over a period of a week. this is a very, very intensive week that biden has. and he s meeting people in britain, he s meeting people in europe. and then he s going to meet putin. i think this sets it up to be an extremely interesting summit, to