opponents, you can still turn this around. meanwhile, his secretary of state, john kerry, made clear he had given up on morsi and thought his presidency was untenable. secretary of defense hagel, who was given stern talking points to try to tell his counterpart, the egyptian defense minister, you must not remove the elected president, we want democracy in egypt, he was focused mainly on building a friendship. and as soon as he was removed, it turns out that michael morell, who had been the acting head of the cia that whole time was openly cheering. an arab diplomat who supports a ku is called up and morel says thumbs up, i m glad it happened. so clearly, there were mixed signals. if anybody was looking for the american government to put the brakes on the ku, and mohamed morsi was looking, that didn t happen. you were in d.c. before this happened. you have been watching what s been unfolding in washington today and certainly what happened in charlottesville last year when you were at
accounts eight days in the mediterranean since heading south in the coast of egypt. some survivors say they were transferred to six different vessels on their way here because one gang of people smugglers would then pass them onto a different gang. and as you look at those people coming off that boat you just get a sense of how bad things really must be back at home because we have seen women with babes in arms coming down the gangplank. we have seen toddlers so small that they seem to stagger along taking their first steps towards a new life. now, there s a lot of syrians onboard there. they re obviously fleeing the civil conflict there. there are egyptians onboard as well. things as we know have turned bad there since the breakdown of democracy in egypt. and a lot of subsaharan africans from west africa and from the horn of africa as well. the italian police also on hand here though they re going to be combing through the passengers on that vessel to see if they can find any trace of
were doing it by uprising and et cetera. syria has now brought back the narrative of al qaeda. where do you think al qaeda is? they are more effective. we ve got to keep one thing in mind you just mentioned, this comes off the back of the egyptian militaryover throwing i spent time with their leaders in prison. i know them intimately. i ve been critical of the ideology per se. i ve been critical of the muslim brotherhood s track record. at the same time, i don t believe it military dictatorships. so at the back of a democratically yet liberal regime being overthrown by a military regime in egypt we now have the syria scenario. it s easy for al qaeda to say look we tried democracy in egypt. we used to give flowers to the syrian troops and we re being killed. the only thing that works is violence. that s a recruitment sergeant to al qaeda. i want to bring in the literary editor of the new republic he joins us now from washington.
they are more effective. we ve got to keep one thing in mind you just mentioned, this comes off the back of the egyptian militaryover throwing i spent time with their leaders in prison. i know them intimately. i ve been critical of the ideology per se. i ve been critical of the muslim brotherhood s track record. at the same time, i don t believe it military dictatorships. so at the back of a democratically yet liberal regime being overthrown by a military regime in egypt we now have the syria scenario. it s easy for al qaeda to say look we tried democracy in egypt. we used to give flowers to the syrian troops and we re being killed. the only thing that works is violence. that s a recruitment sergeant to al qaeda. i want to bring in the literary editor of the new republic he joins us now from washington. i know you ve been listening to this. you support military action. why? in syria?
brotherhood and the military, i would certainly not choose the muslim brotherhood. we need to nudge the military towards a democracy. we need to push them towards civilian rule. we have had 35 year relationship with them. it s time to use that relationship with them. i think we need to work with them. morsey, from the muslim brotherhood in my opinion was trying to destroy democracy in egypt. i think the united states needs to look at our interests. you know they do give us overflights over egypt. they put our ships in priority in the sue ease suez canal. i don t like when they kill people. i think we have to stand and nudge them but i think the military, relationship we have had with the military i think needs it continue and i think we need to work with them. chris: another story, the nsa story where it seems that almost every day