fatih birol, welcome to hardtalk. thank you. every year the world awaits your world energy report, it is hugely influential, and this year it said something very interesting. it predicted that, for the first time, demand forfossilfuels, oil, coal and gas, will peak by 2030 and then start to decline. now, is that based on real evidence or is it your wishful thinking? no, i think it is based on very real evidence. there are two drivers which will end up giving us a different world in 2030 compared to today. the first one is a new clean energy economy is emerging. emerging fast, and faster than many of us realise. let me give you a couple of examples. electric cars. three years ago, only three years ago, 1 out of 25 cars sold in the world was electric. so three years ago, 1 out of 25. this year, 1 out of 5 cars sold is electric. and even with the current conservative policies, 2030, every second car sold in the world will be an electric car. look at the other side. i m going to
fatih birol, welcome to hardtalk. thank you. every year the world awaits your world energy report, it is hugely influential, and this year it said something very interesting. it predicted that, for the first time, demand forfossilfuels, oil, coal and gas, will peak by 2030 and then start to decline. now, is that based on real evidence or is it your wishful thinking? no, i think it is based on very real evidence. there are two drivers which will end up giving us a different world in 2030 compared to today. the first one is a new clean energy economy is emerging. emerging fast, and faster than many of us realise. let me give you a couple of examples. electric cars. three years ago, only three years ago, 1 out of 25 cars sold in the world was electric. so three years ago, 1 out of 25. this year, 1 out of 5 cars sold is electric. and even with the current conservative policies, 2030, every second car sold in the world will be an electric car. look at the other side. i m going to
fatih birol, welcome to hardtalk. thank you. every year the world awaits your world energy report, it is hugely influential, and this year it said something very interesting. it predicted that, for the first time, demand forfossilfuels, oil, coal and gas, will peak by 2030 and then start to decline. now, is that based on real evidence or is it your wishful thinking? no, i think it is based on very real evidence. there are two drivers which will end up giving us a different world in 2030 compared to today. the first one is. ..a new clean energy economy is emerging. emerging fast, and faster than many of us realise. let me give you a couple of examples. electric cars. three years ago, only three years ago, 1 out of 25 cars sold in the world was electric. so three years ago, 1 out of 25. this year, 1 out of 5 cars sold is electric. and even with the current conservative policies, 2030, every second car sold in the world will be an electric car. look at the other side. i m going
fatih birol, welcome to hardtalk. thank you. every year the world awaits your world energy report, it is hugely influential, and this year it said something very interesting. it predicted that, for the first time, demand forfossilfuels, oil, coal and gas, will peak by 2030 and then start to decline. now, is that based on real evidence or is it your wishful thinking? no, i think it is based on very real evidence. there are two drivers which will end up giving us a different world in 2030 compared to today. the first one is a new clean energy economy is emerging. emerging fast, and faster than many of us realise. let me give you a couple of examples. electric cars. three years ago, only three years ago, 1 out of 25 cars sold in the world was electric. so three years ago, 1 out of 25. this year, 1 out of 5 cars sold is electric. and even with the current conservative policies, 2030, every second car sold in the world will be an electric car. look at the other side. i m going to
remember, these targets don t include emissions from customers using shell products. that s 90% of the total footprint. this gigantic oil refinery is changing to make less carbon intensive products. that won t be good or fast enough for some people who would probably like to see it shut down tomorrow, but our lives are still very much entwined with industries like this and, in fact, if you have a pension, you own shares in shell and bp. but there are those who think we should be withdrawing our financial backing for industries like this. butjust selling up and walking away would be a mistake, according to the world s biggest money manager. we can t have that dialogue with companies if we re not invested in them. by being invested in the companies, we have that seat at the table, we engage with them. we can t divest from the world. as powerful as shell is, customers may be more powerful. as long as there is demand forfossilfuels, shell or someone else will supply it. simonjack, bbc news