then not delivering so only if he have to do is say we ve got a problem with and i disagree with you that migration is the only the only issue that they have you know because they don t have solutions they just need to name the problems that people have. well i would just say i think it s an issue that resonates most in germany and in other countries i mean one of the things that interested me about the german discussion is that the germans are sort of discovering slowly what it means to have a successful populist party is successful far right party and everybody s like really shocked you know if you look around the rest of europe it s been going on for quite some time and there wasn t a of d. politician last week when when germany lost who posted on facebook or twitter a picture of mazen the german player who has turkish roots and there was a bit of a controversy involving some photographs that he had taken together with for the
a problem there but i ve i ve been here for almost twenty years and i ve seen these sort of cassandra journalist me along saying you know can germany be saved on that always works well in talk shows because the person says well maybe it ll be ok seems hopelessly naive but what i have learned in twenty years in germany is that germans don t react at the first alarm bell and they don t react at the second alarm bell but somewhere between the second and the third and final alarm bell somebody goes over jesus we have to do something and something happens i don t know if it s marital who s the person who will have to react she s known for being able to jump off the diving board and in her swimming lesson or acted politics just at the last moment i m starting to wonder if you know she s just like lots of people she s had a lot of a long crisis filled run and she s done some good things for extraordinary things in europe in terms of stability that maybe she needs to move whether she realizes
a crisis and what everybody outside germany would would would say yes it is it s the big crisis in germany interest in terms of numbers if you if you are worried about five or ten or twenty people coming across and seeking asylum a very every day with an is a crisis around europe it is a crisis but compared to where we were inches in fifteen in terms of pure numbers it isn t a crisis the notion that it just sort of two weeks ago suddenly became a crisis again i think that was an artificial crisis and what we saw was the c.s.u. the summer holidays are coming up this is the last chance to really get people s attention before the autumn and give them the sense that we are tough we have started to marco so i think what we saw was just politics that it has the is an unresolved migration crisis is true and that it s gotten the rest of your talking about or perhaps was an unintended positive outcome the see if you will came this is what we intended all along it s not about power it s about we
for the world cup and there s a politician essentially blamed for this and said you know suggested he should be sent back to turkey and a lot of people are very upset about that this is kind of thing that has been going on in france it s been going on in austria the netherlands you know for many years so i think that you know if anything the political landscape here is sort of catching catching up a bit to to to to the rest of europe but you know go back to what derek said about you know is this you know the end of german stability. you know i think it s definitely becoming becoming less stable and while it s not a catastrophe i do think that there are signs in the economy in particular that this kind of second economic miracle that germany s been going through over the past few years is coming to an end let s give him a we ve got about a minute to go terry before and i want to hear what you have to say about all of that because you were at the beginning of the show said germany has a
call them the rules have become much more stringent than they were in two thousand and fifteen she hasn t been out there you know giving speeches about it hasn t drawn a lot of attention to it but it is today much more difficult as a refugee to get asylum in germany than it was in two thousand and fifteen so i think that this is a another step that you know at least superficially appears to you know tight tighten the rules a bit but in substance it certainly is not a major departure from her previous policies and i don t think that she s dehumanizing europe at all i think that you know there is a practicality issue and i think that you know this is what sort of the mainstream german looks at the situation and thinks well you know yes we we know need to provide people asylum we want to help but there s sort of limits to what we can do and this is sort of the tension in this debate and has been from the beginning thank you for those coming to bring you in just a moment because you were t