to me the actors that are being portrayed as insane are the ones who are no plan to reduce the debt. the democrats in the senate. and the democrat in the white house. and the ups being portrayed as insane are the ones who want to have a plan to reduce the deficits under reagan, deficits under w. you didn t default on the national debt under those guys, did you? we defaulted on the national debt? no, we didn t default. that s what you re talking about now. $16.7 trillion. your solution to the fiscal challenge of the country is to default? i think the fiscal challenge of the country is to figure out how to reduce debt and the scope of government. what you re saying is not what they re saying. rick, i respect you being here. thanks for coming on. what ted cruz is saying, if you don t defund a law of the land, affordable care act, obama care, i m going to bring down the government and make sure we default. he has every right to pursue that strategy. i don t think you shou