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other major u.s. government studis. and . jon: let s tell people what s involved here. go back to 1962. this actually happened. back then the united states was testing nuclear weapons in the atmosphere. this was before there was a treaty to ban it and all nuclear testing went underground. we blew up a nuclear weapon high in the air over the pacific, all of a sudden the lights went out in hawaii, right? that s right. that was during the 1962 starfish prime nuclear test. it came as a surprise to the defense community and scientific community. nobody knew what had caused that and dr. william graham, who was the chairman of the congressional emp commission which i served, he was then a young defense scientist and it was his first job to go investigate this incident in hawaii. and it turned out this was an example, a case of a electromagnetic pulse attack. jon: we re showing agraphic on the screen of lights going off all over the country but when you think