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decifit is $1.3 trillion a year and no question in the longer term we have to pwraeupbg this down, eliminate it, it should be one of the national priorities, but in order to do that in the way the republicans are talking about, which is exempting defense and exempting spending on the elder will and all that, in other words, do it all through cutting nondefense, discretionary spending, you would have to eliminate all defense non nondefense discretionary spending, eliminate all transportation, all education spending, all foreign aid, all veterans benefits. jenna: you re saying jeff that the administration jeffrey, just to scratch the surface you d have to do away with all that. i m saying we re never going to address the long term fiscal situation until we have basic understanding of arithmetic and history, and maybe that s not everybody s favorite subject but the realm of the numbers have to be unstood, otherwise you re never going to get anywhere. jenna: these are your