powers to be used for the good of the people and not for power s sake. that s what they have to remember. now, as far as that fiscal cliff, they can withhold the tax schedule changes. they re able like in defense, when you have a defense cut or a defense cut like that, it takes place over three to four years. it doesn t all happen this figs year. what we want is a bunny slope not a cliff so the damage is not great as long as we are able to take the short-term deal that david spoke about. what everyone is looking for, consumer and business investor is certainty. congress generates the political will with the president to address our problem. both in the grand scheme so we get $4 trillion in debt reduction over a year and second in the short term and don t have a gross domestic product grow at zee ro over the year. when you think about this entire issue, there is the gop
the data, those are not significant problems facing us. there s no conversation about defense. and there s no there s no specific plan coming from republicans and i think people become really offended in many cases when you start talking about medicare and social security because logic tells you you social security, that that s not the overwhelming problem in our budget. i think you hit it right on the head the amazing thing, you talk about entitle reforms, we are going to have sear joyce about it but not serious about tonight backs to of the people that need it to survive and live n terms of defense cut, i, for the life of me, and i remember this on the hill, i don t understand why there s not a more serious discussion about scaling back defense cuts. war savings is not a defense country. spending an enormous amount of money on defense, the largest chunk of our budget. if we continue down this road of pretending, democrats and republican does it pretend we
look at. sure, people need to realize there s always been $500 billion in defense cut. we are still flying 50-year-old aircrafts in many parts. we have grandchildren that are flying the same tail number that their grandfather flew in the air force. there is a need to reinvest back into military spending but is there an area of waste, you ll not find anyone in the defense industry to say there is no waste in defense there is. jenna: this interpretation from the article was suggesting that new politicians like yourself are free from deol geez of the cold war. you re free from ideologies that are based in the reagan era, that you re a new group of politicians that don t have those strings, is that the case? no, what is interesting. i m 44 years old i grew up out of high school in the reaganer a. that is actually my impression of conservatism and dealing with tax west a strong defense, dealing with family oriented fiscal and social policies. this is not anti-defense this is just anti-
what did the secretary of defense going to do? republicans have to rethink the idea this is obama s idea if we get the huge cut in defense that are unsupportable. they are bluffing that they don t care about going over the fiscal cliff. a bluff. it will send economy in a tail spin. i don t think so. the president is fine going over the cliff. if you look what he gets and the ability to play hero if the country went over the cliff, the president can remedy two problems that democrats faced for years. he becomes a huge tax cutter. he can restore the defense cut. i think the point that you are making are logical and correct, that is not how it plays out. perception is as much as
be the strongest sign yet that the president, that the reaffirmed status quo, gridlock status quo in washington by voters can t work. that would be very bad news for everybody. megyn: it is not only tax hikes on everybody, first wally everybody but it is major, massive defense cut, defense cuts which the defense department is warning you can t do. it is payroll tax cut. it is jobless benefits will be cut. reimbursement rates for doctors who take medicare patients with the so-called doc fix. that will jeopardize potential care according to dr. seeing he will if. there are all sorts of things, it is easy to say, let it happen but, you know, it is hard to believe they will find the split call will they haven t been able to find because we start to dangle off the cliff as opposed to just approaching it. am i wrong? lawmakers do love to do nothing. they re very good at that. in this case doing nothing has some appeal. the consequences, speaker of