pro european, talks a lot about european integration and the idea of what more the eu can do together. recently there have been discussions on defence which france has really seen as leading the way on, the idea of an eu army hanging over conversations although that s pretty seen that s all the scene is pretty unrealistic. emmanuel macron has long argued for a more clever, integrated european type of defence arrangement. marine le pen, an entirely different prospect. i m listening to see whether we are expecting emmanuel macron shortly on the stage. it seems as if it is building. we think he is coming very soon. for marine le pen, traditionally seen as anti eu, she has a soft stance recently, focused on that less. here he comes. emmanuel macron taking to the stage.