like he s uncovered something really impressive. reporter: frank uses the number of registered voters by age group and prior voter trends to predict voter turnout, then claims it is evidence of fraud when it aligns with actual voter turnout. what he s doing is he s discovered that anything you go out and measure in the world is closely related to itself. reporter: debunking frank s wild claims wasn t difficult for john merrill who are met with lindell and frank on two occasions. every time they gave us an example, we were able to refute what they showed us without even knowing what they were going to do. reporter: frank blamed the, quote, complete botch, in alabama on the newly hired staffer. people say we know that other states are wrong, but we think kentucky must be right. i say, how do you know? they have no idea. they just assume. i said, that s kind of the problem. reporter: kentucky state senator adrian south worth says she came away more convinced
were not at all contested, that you know were never in question when it came to who was going to win the 2020 election. he and these other folks who are questioning the results of the 2020 election are so committed to this they want to spread this across the country, brianna. it s so important to note, sara, that it s not, like, all republicans are buying into these claims. it is important to note. you know, we saw that pushback from john merrill. we know there are a number of other secretaries of state that have heard of these claims that douglas frank are making. they re republicans and they have come out publicly and reaffirmed their election results. we know privately there are lawmaker who is have heard this presentation and come away thinking, that s interesting. that seems incredible. and they do checking of their own and go back to colleagues, other republican lawmakers and say i ve talked to mathematicians, election experts. this is not what s going on. we don t see that i
chase. make more of what s yours. a widening political abyss as jimmy carter called it. who is working to push these tectonic plates apart? john avlon here with tonight s reality check. john? hey, brie. it s important to remember that the political parties are far more divided than the american people as a whole, and a brand-new gallop poll gave us reason to focus on that. it showed the number of self-identified independents in our country far outweigh the number of republicans and democrats. that s an important reminder that the polarized politics we re given don t necessarily reflect who we are as a people. but here s the catch. the political parties are disproportionately dominated by