one is for congress to start pulling back on these trillions and trillions of dollars we have been borrowing. it started under covid, a trillion dollars of excess spending, then 4 trillion on top of that. recession next year, what do we do, borrow another trillion? and debtnation, too much debt in the country and we have to start living not beyond our means. sandra: republicans who flipped seats said they are going to get it as well. appreciate the debate and the discussion, gentlemen. thank you. john. john: sandra, the world s largest active volcano erupting, so far no real damage to infrastructure but that could change and could cause some headaches on the big island. the brand-new threat coming up next.