been beatified? they must be as aware of history as you. how do they see it that you believe led them to a different conclusion? they re interested in his record and in how many people he managed to convert and in the fact that he at this point in time is a famous spanish person when the church really needs some positive pr. so they are purposely overlooking the deaths and the cultural genocide of native american people because it s to their benefit. reporter: indeed, the church has in fact apologized for things that happened during the colonization and missionary process as well. it s not as if there s no attention given to the negative aspect of that dynamic. professor deborah miranda, thank you for laying out the case as to why you think that this is controversial today. we ll continue the discussion online if you want. you can get me on twitter and we ll keep this conversation going for people who want that. thank you very much for joining us. right now we re going to take a
actual movements here. so while we re wait forge the pope, let s talk about the controversy that also surrounding this because it s not just about celebrating the pope. it s about following this from the perspective of what matters and both positive and negative. let s bring in debra miranda, talking about her family s experience in the missions created by junipero serra. that was his claim to fame, that he helped establish through missionary work in california. debra, it s clear your efforts aren t stopping this process. what does that mean to you right now? and please make the case for why you don t believe that junipero serra should be made a saint. junipero serra was an extremely influential man in california. he did found nine of the 21 missions. my objection and the objection of many california indians is that he is being honored for in fact dishonoring many ofcestanc.