and in this closed-door session was grilled in front of us to get it for congress. he revealed this issue about having, you know, joe biden being put on speakerphone in this meetings and stuff. the challenge that we have is immediately after that hearing, two prominent congressional republicans, jim jordan from ohio, and james comer from kentucky, when i get on hannity s fox news program and immediately made up fox false claims about what he said. exaggerate what he said. which is been a pattern with james comer. introduce this whole bribery, thing for which there s been no evidence. they claim the david archer has essentially, given the game away. he had gotten joe biden dead to rights on the staff. those aren t the exact words. but that s the implication of the staff. then we get david archer s actual testimony. he says that yes, i had no knowledge of joe biden ever been involved in this. i saw hunter biden explicitly saying, hey look, my dad s not vaulted this, but we need to fo
gang, friend, we re still good. but we know there are not good because of the cooperation. i say it, we don t know exactly what mr. meadows is doing. we do know they provided information. we don t know in the final practice of this and documents, which was the subject of today s and raymond saying what trump said, welcoming the violence light that day. you don t put that in the indictment, unless you have eight dead to rights, prove -able in court. jack smith is by the book. i would expect, on that list, there are people like who mr. corcoran was we know mister pence, the vice president, kept contemporaneous notes. we asked if the committee knew that, she said no. when subpoenaed by the justice department, by the grand jury, and order to buy the d.c. circuit, they couldn t turn it down. can i ask one quick question,
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house chief of staff mark meadows. and it is interesting when you hear this recording that even the special counsel has labelled as staffer egging him on, laughing, again, like you said, being sycophantic. it sort of encouraged him throughout, this feedback he was getting from the room. and in hindsight, you have to ask whether his staffers were really serving his best interest, given their responses throughout this exchange. even at one point one of the staffers acknowledged, now we have a problem. but they re still sort of laughing, even nervously. kaitlan collins, paula reid, appreciate it. joining me now, george conway. george, how damning is this for the former president do you think? well, the special counsel already had trump dead to rights because we knew this tape existed in some form. but to actually hear a former president of the united states committing a felony, probably multiple felonies, on audiotape while laughing about it is something i just i think it s