that said, you know, my sense of where they fall on the conservative index, they are bunched up close together. and my guess is that kavanaugh might be a little more moderate. but we are going based on slim pickings here. and ruth you made a clear point here, if you think barrett is the one of most conservative, who do you think is the most surprise? i don t think of it like that. and by the way, i covered the david sueder confirmation