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you shouldn t pay a lower percentage if you re rich. you have to change tack rates to make that happen which means raising a lot of the capital gains rates. you also have to have some winners. the president is not opposed to that. i think you guys are closer than you think. listen, i don t think the president is not doing a lot of what mark is suggesting to do. he s talked through this year about being above the fray and trying to come up with a reasonable plan. okay. yet the other side is not giving him the latitude to do that. really against unfairness. i think that s what he s fighting with this buffet rule, and i think the american people will be with him if he fights on fairness at the top, not wealth at the top, and i m with you on that. mark penn, thank you. thank you, david korb. up next, president obama channels sarah palin. what s that? that s coming up next in the sideshow. you re watching hardball, only on msnbc.