i mean, i m sure there are lots of draft documents done in the government that never see the light of day that aren t the greatest ideas. david, if i could chime in, i d be curious and i hate to put you on the spot but i know mike pompeo an old friend of yours, what couldn t he accomplish as president that donald trump could? could someone like him this is what i as a conservative wrestle with, is let s run someone like a mike pompeo and we don t have the shadow of conspiracy and insurrection on our backs. listen, mike pompeo or your former boss, the vice president, none of these are running for president, none of them have said they re running for president. i m not going to speculate or put people out there. come on. they are preparing. they are not running. they are not running for president. if donald trump didn t run they probably would. exactly. and if a lot of people didn t run someone else might run. donald trump is still the dominant force in republican politics.
is speculation based on kind of what i ve observed and read and conversations i ve had, which is any sort of coordination with the bad actors that went a step further. so this oath keepers indictment, that charged some of them with sedition and conspiracy, that s significant. if you end up fight finding that white house individuals were in communication with some of those very fringy groups i think that s incredibly damning. do you think it s possible. i think it s possible but i don t want to speculate. the other thing i would say that s important, i think you re going to see the anatomy of the big lie begin to unfold. when you see more text messages with come out of people around trump who knew the election fraud was a total myth, they were simply humoring him and privately saying, yeah, we can t keep spreading this craziness, i think that chips away at trump s credibility and i also think it really gets to him. david, politico obtained a draft, trump executive order, it was
party, but i m going to be curious to see if there starts to be a break after 2022 because if i m reading the tea leaves how can this guy beat joe biden? i don t see him being more popular. your mistake you re saying republicans will keep him around, that they have they re doing this republicans love donald trump. it s not that they re keeping him around, the republican base loves donald trump. you re getting it wrong, you re missing the point. i don t, i actually don t i don t think you re wrong but i think if some figures emerge that can champion his policies without the division and without the shadow of insurrection, i think that those figures could emerge and become equally popular. aliyssa go ahead, david. i was going to say 24 is incredibly far away as you all know. it s 100 years from now in terms of electoral politics. so i think the more immediate focus is 22. look, in that same poll you are referring to, alyssa, the ap poll which was done conducted on the
nationalized set of standards? and you had the president, the former president talking about ways to use not one, not two, but three different federal agencies to overturn an election? david, go ahead. go ahead, anderson. that s a whole hour discussion right there. we could go on forever. i think our segment wrapping up. it s true. but come on. a lot to discuss. there is no consistency whatsoever. to be continued. dana bash, david irvin, appreciate it. coming up, the former cdc director joining us to talk about the breaking news. pfizer applying for authorization so parents can finally get their kids as young as 6 months old vaccinated against covid. we ll take a look at that and whether it s safe and what the timetable on this might be. and later, what life is right now on ukraine s eastern front lines with the russian army a short distance away. cnn s clarissa ward with how
to the committee investigating the january 6th attack on the capitol. how is all of this factoring into the former president s political ambition as soon as joining me now two former trump insiders, former white house communications director alyssa farah griffin and david irvin. david, let me start with you. i will add another thing to that and that is a grand jury opening a new criminal probe of president trump, the former president, in georgia. what should he be most worried about right now? dana, look, there s i think, you know, there s there s a wide range of issues that are facing the president, and i ve been on this network, as you know, for many years and it looked like he was in much deeper trouble at many points in the future and it all kind of played out and nothing happened. i remember waking up and hearing on the networks, you know, trump to be indicted this morning, stand by. and then no indictment ever came of it. so i m not putting a lot of credibility or credence