Tonight. I was trying to get ready for this show and then you did this thing about the council man in enid, oklahoma, and then i was like, hey, ive got a show to do but i was glued to that, and that you did it and that you had that conversation with brandy, without covering these stories i think many of us would just not know that stuff like that happens on that campaign. Its really important to know that other people in deeply red states, largely republican states, see some of this White Supremacy and Replacement Theory and say no, not for us. This is not us, absolutely. Thank you for doing that, my friends. Great to see you, as always. Have a great evening. The battle for the american presidency in 2024 will likely come down to another battle of the blue wall, which includes an in and wisconsin, two reliably democratic states that flipped red in 2016 and led to Donald Trumps shock victory, aided of course by thirdparty candidates. Votes for jill stein in both states in 2016 were larg
Joining our conversation former acting Assistant Attorney General for national security at the Doj And Cohost of msnbc s accident podcast, prosecuting Donald Trump, Mary Court is here. And with me at the table, david ehrenberg. Let me start with you. Theres so many filings that are happening but this one it seems pretty interesting and important because it tells us a bit about the strategy. What should we take away from that . Obstruction because Donald Trump apparently instructed his men, Walt Nauta and karla still viera to delete an important recording. And there is some evidence. People lie but the recordings dont. There are tapes which is an evergreen statement. That is gonna be trumps undoing in this case. Its a shame though, its the strongest case, which is this one, its gonna be the one least likely to occur before the election because judge cannons slow walking it. You dont think its gonna start in may . No way. Judge cannon has given trumps team all the time in the world
this, i can t destroy it. and also the i.t. person is not charged here because he is cooperating, so i don t feel so sorry for not and i know a lot of people are because they re under trump stumped. remember, these guys lied to the doj. they lied to prosecutors. that was their own choice to do. so and that s why they re being charged. and that s why others are not being charged with them. yeah, in fact, one of those back and forth with the federal government, he is quoted as saying i don t know nothing. i want to correct something that i said. i said we re waiting for a third federal, indictment we are waiting for a third indictment that he s only been federally indicted. once david ehrenberg, thank you very much, as always, for coming to the show and coming, up record setting temperatures across the globe. why my next guest thinks we need to name heat waves like we name hurricanes. that is after the break.
washington post reports, quote, far-right trump supporters are posting the names of prosecutors and government workers online and yell at him at demonstrations. threatening them, sometimes revealing details about their personal lives. that is according to two experts and political extremism. joining us now to discuss nbc news correspondent ron hilliard, msnbc political analyst and former congressman david jolly, an msnbc legal analyst lisa reuben vaughan. i wonder, you are on the trail right now, how is trump talking about his indictment on stage in front of his supporters right, alicia, look he has taken his legal peril on the road. he is not running from this. he is not trying to mask the fact that he has been criminally charged and is facing pending trials. instead he is using the stages and the microphone that millions of viewers not only on his social media accounts but also on right-wing outlets to try to galvanize support for