and stolen. that view was wrong then and it is wrong today. that comes as the justice department is ramping up its criminal investigation into the fake electors scheme that was concocted by trump and his allies with federal agents delivering grand jury subpoenas to at least four people yesterday. this is at a scale that we had not seen before from doj. it raises questions about how deep they are in to the fake elector scheme with their investigations. we will have much more on that in just a moment. that is the justice department branch of all of this. the congressional side of the investigation picks up in a few hours with a new hearing focused on the former president s pressure campaign to get the department of justice to intervene in the 2020 election. joining me now ellie honig former federal prosecutor. we can tell a lot by this witness list today. we can, john. let s set the scene. mid-december 2020 now it s about a month and change after the election, we are a few
that he didn t recall meeting any of these folks, and didn t recognize them. we ve heard that line before. he was that line on me when i testified before the january 6th to monday, claiming that he had never interacted with me, never seen me. so, i think that he knows he s in trouble, even if he is going to display a false sense of ravato. we know that is a divisive him when he clearly even does know someone. brian, three codefendants now in oldham county who say, look, i was just doing what trump told me to do. i was acting on his orders. you have latham, still, they were fake electors, now have the former gop, chairman of georgia, david chafer. how problematic is this for trump? it s not good. it s a bad legal fact for him that you have three of the codefendants, saying, they acted at the direction of trump. so, that s what they say in their legal briefs. that will hurt him in georgia, and it will hurt him in the federal case as well. i remember reading that line in
sources tell cnn that the department of justice issued subpoenas to trump electors in georgia, michigan and pennsylvania, all states that former president trump lost, also subpoenaed according to the washington post, thomas lane who worked on the trump campaign efforts in arizona and new mexico. joining me now is someone who held firm against all kinds of election lies, chairman of the maricopa county board of supervisors in arizona republican bill gates. thank you for being with us. what did you personally see in terms of this fake electors scheme in arizona? well, this fake elector scheme was really key to the whole january 6th effort of the trump campaign. i mean, here we had these weren t just sort of random people who were the fake electors, these are, sadly, leaders of today s arizona republican party. kelly ward, care man, national committeeman tyler boyer, jim
absolutely. thank you very much. thanks, john. and sources tell cnn this morning that federal investigators have subpoenaed georgia s republican party chairman for information related to the fake electors scheme that happened in his state. this is in addition to the justice department subpoenas that were issued in michigan, pennsylvania, arizona and new mexico, all states that former president trump lost. joining us now is the former u.s. attorney for the middle district of georgia, michael moore. michael, thank you so much for joining us this morning. i wonder what you make of this subpoena for the chairman, david chafer and whether or not it represents a significant step given the central role he played in organizing the fake slate of electors from georgia. well, good morning. i m glad to be with you and i m not surprised to see the subpoena. we have known that the department is looking into the fake elector scheme, who was behind it, who was the mastermind behind t we saw
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