least the near outcome was on title 42 before it went down. we don t have it yet. i had to operate i don t like title 42. but it s the law now. i have to operate within it. republicans are not taking this seriously, david? the border republicans have fought tooth and nail to get something done down there to help their people who are overrun by migrants. your final thoughts. i think the is right. i think this is an issue where we have to come together and we have to have reform. we have to deal with the problem where we have an unprecedented amount of people coming from different countries than we ve historically seen fleeing their home country travelling hundreds, if not 1,000 miles to cross the border. so, we have to deal with that. we have to deal with it in a humane way. just building a strong wall will not solve those problems. that s
the disconnect here. we have republicans just attacking anything that biden does. we have biden pushing back saying, hey, you need to m co-up with something, a proposal that can get some muster and buy-in from democrats. and we just don t see that. so, i think this even plays in to what we see happening in the speakership battle. you just have this fight attack, attack. and no real ideas. there were ideas. there were mechanisms in place. the border flow was a fraction of what it is now. and joe biden took down all of those security measures and took away some of those laws. gentlemen, i have to leave it there. david, mark, thank you for coming on. good to see you, trace. good to be here. the man accused of murdering four in november made a court appearance today. he was denied bail as we learn startling information about the case against him.
david carlucci, a strategist and former senator along with mark lauder, a special assistant to former president trump. welcome to you both. i m going to talk border. while i have you here, going to get this out of the way. this is on the speaker saga. i don t get this. maybe you can help me out. the freedom caucus has 25, 140 members, 20 are holding out. they can stop kevin mccarthy. why are they wasting the powder on this? why not keep the powder dry and wait until they have some valid concern they can stop him with down the line? that s a good point. what you see is not a policy disagreement from the 20 members. it s a power and political argument. they re all on the same page when it comes to policy. they want more power and more seats at the table. that s what they re holding out for. it s not a principle argument, it s a swamp argument.
justice conservative majority seems poised to rule that the biden administration has to comply with congressional law and get tougher on deportations. this comes as an incoming republican house is demanding secretary mayorkas stepped down her house later kevin mccarthy is calling on president biden to finally visit the southern border is republicans warn they may hold in person meetings at the border. trace: the president has never been, as a senator, congressman, never been to the border. matt finn back to you later. let s bring a new york state senator and democratic strategists david carlucci and america first policy institute chief communications officer marc lotter. i want to play this sound bite from the justice samuel alito remark and get your take on it because it sounds to me at what he saying is it s about time we actually follow the law. watch. congress has established its own set of priorities and has said that certain categories of