trump s lawyer, evan corcoran. he got that because of the exception to the attorney-client privilege that they were used in the commission of a crime, so the feds have trump s lawyer s intricate notes. i think with all the evidence that jack smith has, this is heading towards an ultimate conviction. yeah, but dave, you know, the biggest concern a lot of us have is how slowly the wheels of justice can turn. we have a may 2024 trial date. reporting that de oliveira s lawyer is not even barred in the state of florida, let alone in the southern district of florida. do you think we might see a repeat of what we have with walt nauta, this repeated attempt to be able to get local counsel in order to get day olive arraigned in the first place? this is the risk jack smith took when he indicted another defendant in this case. he knew that in adding a third defendant, it would slow things down.
this indictment, that he had the state of mind that he was sending directions and directly involved and engaged in conversations including getting rid of the potential evidence that was going to demonstrate that he was lying publicly and to investigators when he was saying he had turned over all the documents. dave, is this the quintessential example of when the cover-up is worse than the crime? yes. katie, obstruction is really damaging for the president because not only is it a standalone crime punishable by up to 20 years in prison, but it shows consciousness of guilt for the other crimes that are violations of the espionage act. why would you want to destroy the video? because you knew what you were doing was wrong. so this helps juries believe that the defendant is guilty. obstruction is a double whammy. it s its own crime and will help convict the former president, and perhaps nauta and day
different. because michael cohen didn t cooperate either. he just kind of went out on his own, did not actually seem to ask for a plea deal. but the reason i just make this point, you made the point earlier, this is donald trump s m.o. and i think the interesting thing here is going to be, see how much because a lot of folks, particularly other candidates in this election, are going to be able to use this fact in their own ads. they re going to be able to talk about what s happening in the world in the sphere of trump. particularly use it against him. so it s going to be very interesting to watch how this all plays out in the election cycle, whether or not the case is actually tried before the election. maya wily and dave air ren berg, good to see you both. coming up, our special look at the right-wing content that could soon be given to schoolkids right here in florida. liz plank is here on the gop s barbie freakout and that it has to do with a big fight