we don t know what is happening. we ve been told options are being developed but nobody s talking to us. so, we re still the data controllers. when we left, we were told, you re only to deal with the data, nothing else. so, that is something we re trying to manage. and incidentally, stephen, in november last year, in 2022, myself and steve travelled to york to sit with both senior bishops and i remember the email, sending the email at 3am in the morning as well, before that meeting, to say, we are at a crossroads. the crossroads is this. we are doing what you told us to do. we are following the terms of reference which you approved, that is on the website, publicly on the independent safeguarding board website, but every turn we go to, our independence is being thwarted. you re not allowing us to be independent. so, we presented them with what looks like an independent model and we were told that, we will seriously consider this.
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victims, be aware. we ve had a problem with the board but we are moving on to quote archbishop welby we re resetting, and clearly, the message from the church is, victims, you can have faith in our commitment. unless victims and survivors own and believe that and see the evidence of that. but are you telling them they shouldn t believe it? i m not telling them anything. i m at the end of the line, as is steve reeves, when they contact us to say, what is happening? we don t know what is happening. we ve been told options are being developed but nobody s talking to us. so, we re still the data controllers. when we left, we were told, you re only to deal with the data, nothing else. so, that is something we re trying to manage. and incidentally, stephen, in november last year, in 2022, myself and steve travelled to york to sit with both senior bishops
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inquiry on child sex abuse that you referred to. they also point to several other initiatives they ve taken, including putting more than well, over £100 million into programmes to help the victims of historic abuse. so, they say, look, victims, be aware. we ve had a problem with the board but we are moving on to quote archbishop welby we re resetting, and clearly, the message from the church is, victims, you can have faith in our commitment. unless victims and survivors own and believe that and see the evidence of that. crosstalk. but are you telling them they shouldn t believe it? i m not telling them anything. i m at the end of the line, as is steve reeves, when they contact us to say, what is happening? we don t know what is happening. we ve been told options are being developed but nobody s talking to us. so, we re still the data controllers. when we left, we were told, you re only to deal with the data, nothing else. so, that is something