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us would, but we realize that to let the debt ceiling lapse would be a disaster, to not raise it. and so i have not, i have not heard of a single democrat who has said the debt ceiling ought to lapse. and i ve heard scores of republicans, elected official republicans, and thousands of others and groups in that right-wing firm mean firmament g their members to let this debt ceiling lapse. my guess, is god, forbid, it happens, and we re doing everything we can to prevent it from happening, they will retract that language or they will find ways to explain what they really meant because their analysis that it doesn t matter or it won t do much harm is unfortunately dead wrong. happy to yield. mr. harkin: if the senator would yield for another question, again, there s a lot of misunderstanding and i can i sympathize with this among the general populous that somehow raising the debt ceiling means that somehow we can go and borrow more money in the future and go further in debt. i

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