from the perceived failures of fight i fighting isis, and now, you are mentioning that you did have the opportunity to speak to him. what did you learn? what is at the core of this? well, i asked him specif specifically about the threat of the sort of the sloppiness and the lack of safeguards with some of the most delicate divisions within the nsa and his response to me, w look, these are bad guys, and we caught them. and people like richard ames who were in place for 22 years, and so there is a vigilance and you have a number of thing, and he talked about the culture inside of the nsa and the people who were there, and he had defended what they had done and catching those people, and he mentioned something interesting because james clap ser not on the same page as ash carter. because clapper wants to see the cyber command sfrated from the directorship of the national