issues. it will be going on for a long time but he has a tremendous wind on his back from his own base. you have organizations like families against mandatory minimums. the drug policy alliance has been working on this for years and years. i m a part of something called cut 50. there s a new thing called j us reform now. you have bipartisan groups called the coalition for public safety. there s a big bipartisan wind at his back. it as great to give speeches and do visits. you have to sign a bill in order for it to be a part of your legacy. there are bills ready to go. i hope this will go beyond rhetoric. it s very important. a few people getting out of jail very important. many more should get out of jail. he should commute more sentences but make sure we get a bill signed. i this i that s where he s looking. i think there s a space. i hope we can take it as a country. and maybe to your point, paul, that where s this leads. thanks so much, gentlemen, appreciate it, paul callan and va