three-time academy nominee and award winner debra winger what drowned out the call of hollywood stardom? i think what happened was the background music became louder and that s what i was listening to. my father passed, my mother passed. and i was listening. and i was watching my kids grow up and i wasn t watching them from afar. and it became compelling to me, this life. and it wasn t there wasn t room for acting, it was just i would get a script to read and it was so small, the story, compared to the story that i was getting to live. more conversation than interview. more personal than promotional. and it s not allen keys making sense. it s up late . clay.