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that some of these people are always going to be spies? or does this track with something you and rachel and many people have discussed as well earlier which that russia took it further and they resorted in physical violence against some of our people in their territory, that this is far beyond what may be baked into the normal system? well, from my point of view, it is beyond normal procedures and the last several years both inside russia against diplomats including people like me when i was ambassador, more importantly to me, what they ve done inside our country goes well beyond. i want to be clear about that. it s not standard operating procedure. the hard part of cyber weapons and intelligence, cyber stuff is different than say nuclear weapons. when we discovered soviet nuclear weapons here and there, including most scarily during the cuba missile crisis, we could tell the american people about the threat and then take actions to deter it. what s hard about these cyber activities

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