marathon bombings and we re hearing those echoes too. also echoed the bravery of people here at the scene yesterday here in london. an incredible story of a 48-year-old mother of two, a cub scout leader, who actually was in the bus, saw the thing happening, got out of the bus and confronted the attackers and said what are you doing? they said in fact we want to start a war here in london. she responded, you can t start a war. there are too many against you. let me finish up hire as we look at the then, people there. we re hearing from the of people. they are very upset and shaken up here. back to you, jenna. jenna: understandably and shocking that, or maybe not, that these two men were on the radar of the security forces in london and in england. we re going to have a big panel on this about half an hour raising these questions with our experts. greg, thank you very much live on the scene. apologies about the sound.
right here people stepped up to the plate. it s an amazing story of a 48-year-old mother of two, a cub scout leader who got out of her bus and confronted the attackers and said why are you doing this? they said we want to start a war in london. she said youu you are just two people, you will not win. that was incredible. also incredible, the police responding. according to reports it was a police woman who shot six shots, injuring both of the would-be terrorists and leading to their arrest. martha: it s so shocking for everybody who watched this unravel. what heroism on the part of that woman and the police officers. more on this later. thank you. bill: president obama giving a speech and counter-terrorism
make a major speech later today so they put it in the new york times. when the irs tried to get ahead of the story that the inspector general for the irs had done some looking and and discovered they had targeted conservatives and tea party groups, they planted a question who dreamed that up? lois lerner is the woman who headed that you unit in cincinnati. yesterday she went ahead and took the stand and made a self-serving statement that she s completely innocent there s lois there and then she clammed up and said she s going to take the fifth. she said there is some question about whether you can make a statement. mr. schulman, who once upon a time was the irs commissioner, he took the stand and he did a lot of not answering the question. 118 visits, it didn t come up
right around the corner. the problem is it turns out to be so true. there s no paranoia involved here. there is some there there. do you want to plug twitchy or michelle@america.com? hey, you just did it for me. we d ask you some more questions but we know you d take the fifth. have a good holiday weekend. you, too. house oversight committee, the woman who did take the fifth, lois lerner, she says she did nothing wrong. well, lawmakers say she can t have it both ways. what she did was testimony. so my question to chairman issa is when do we get our chance? you say you didn t lie to congress, you say you didn t break any irs rules.
the woman at the center of the irs scandal instead of answering takes the fifth. i have not done anything wrong. i have not broken any laws. i have not violated any irs rules or regulations and i have not provided false information to this or any other congressional committee. she makes the statement, then takes the fifth. but don t we all have a right to know what the irs is doing? aren t we paying them with taxpayer dollars? and aren t we horrified, all of us, that they re targeting any groups, let alone conservative groups? tomorrow might be progressive groups. charles, what does that reveal after watching these hearings? that was bizarre. i don t know how you get away with taking the fifth after you start defending yourself. if this was a court of law you d be held in contempt or something like this. they should bring her back and hold her in some sort of