that they should abolish prisons and police. there s a wide degree of debate, that i m personally open to hearing, i wrote my second book about these issues. would ted cruz and his colleagues displayed is not part of that debate. it s sheer, disgusting, super predator, crack baby, willie horton self fearmongering. it s the latest step in the crazy bag lush straight on the 80s and 90s, that gave was the highest incarceration rate in the world, and that is regain summer seam on the right. i mean, look, this is not anything original. ted cruz is not he s using the oldest label imaginable because it works. josie duffy rises a journalist focusing on the cocreator and co-owner of the podcast, she joins me now. josie, cruises performance today wasn t surprising, but it did feel familiar in a way that, is a bad familiarity criminal criminal justice