books grapple with race in america. but it is more than. that they disrupt and challenge, conflicted the comfortable worldview of the person who is reading it. that is the point of a book. reading books like a deer marlin, all boys aren t blue, and white fragility is uncomfortable. it is supposed to be. that, itself, is the point. the best change comes when we are made to feel uncomfortable, and then cause to examine the cause of that very discomfort. i m thrilled to be joined. i m joined by rob deangelo. she is spent decades working in critical analysis unwitnessed adiz, leading training seminars on the subject. she s currently an associate professor of education at the university of washington. she, is of course, best known for her new york times bestseller which spent 155 weeks on the bestseller list. robin, thank you, welcome. thanks for being with us today. we are privileged to talk to you. thank you for having me.