i want to underscore that. 100 times. there was no reason for this build up. there is no threat of ukraine trying to take back the area by force. the prospect of ukraine joining nato should be measured in decades not years. he created this crisis but in times of crisis leaders need to talk. so i support the idea of talking. i would like to see more coercive diplomacy ahead of the calls, rachel. not after them. but i think they have to talk and i hope it leads to some kind of defusion of this moment. do you have a sense as to whether or not putin is trying to create the appearance of a crisis here, trying to create a crisis environment without actually having an intention of reinvading ukraine? are there things that we should be looking for from the outside or that the u.s. government may or may not understand about his real intentions here? i don t know. and the director of the cia doesn t know. and president biden doesn t know. and i don t think vladimir putin
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