call with the dutch prime minister and called for a thorough and unbiased investigation. does he mean it? reporter: well, carol, you know, just going to what general ryan said, it is obvious that the russians will deny it as they have denying it, but everybody from the united states to the main european leaders believe that it is only president putin who has influence actual tangible actionable influence with these separate is rebels. so does he mean it? we re not sure. what we certainly do know is that this crime site is insecure, and therefore already we don t even know where the critical information, the flight recorders, the black boxes, whatever you want to say, is on the ground, we don t know where it s been taken, has it been taken to objective, not impartial investigators? we don t know what has happened on the grouped. but more than that, european leaders all of whom are meeting in all sorts of various different emergency situations in their capitals for instance prime minis