exceptionally broad. by the same token, something we ve talked about is the fact that a president can do something that he s legally entitled to do. but he can do it in a matter that might constitute another crime. and the best example is rod blagojevich, who surfaced in the last week as a news item, right? he had the ability to appoint a new senator to replace barack obama, but what made it a crime kibe. similarly, if trump issues a pardon with the corrupt intent to remove a witness that mueller needs access to, that could become part of obstruction. it could be part of a conspiracy to obstruct. and it could really be his fatal downfall at the end of all of this. the essential joyce vance along with the equally essential michael crowley and john heilemann. our great thanks for starting off our conversation on this tuesday night. coming up for us, another white house staffer has lost her job tonight. this time it s the aide who made that crude remark about john