with the committee and that is according to reporting by abc and cnn. then you have mike pompeo confirm today that he is in talks with the committee. abc news reporting this about the state of the negotiations with the panel saying in part, quote, the house select committee investigating the january 6th attack on the u.s. capitol is in active discussions with former secretary of state mike pompeo for his testimony behind closed doors. sources familiar with the matter telling abc news. pompeo is tentatively scheduled to speak with the committee come the coming days, sources said. pompeo was among the few trumpa allies and officials that at least publicly stuck with the ex-president in the immediate aftermath of the attack. he said, quote, while we all think the violence that took place in the capitol was tragic, and i ve watched away people walk away from the president and they are not listening to the american people, not remotely. pompeo played a critical role in the trump a
plan. they re still in business even though they wrapped up their summer hearings to continue to investigate what happened but for the january 6th attack what built up to that day as far as the trump administration was involved and that report they want to issue later this year giving a comprehensive picture of what those forces were and what role then-president trump played in it. joyce, help us understand and there s been some reporting to focus that the conversation has to do with the 25th amendment and help us understand from your legal perspective why would the committee be interested in conversations within the trump cabinet or the trump administration around the 25th amendment which is the amendment used to remove a sitting president from office by the cabinet. so the committee, of course, is trying its jury to the public opinion and the logical next step after having put on full
advisors trump was listening to and shortly before the election, pompeo had a visit and they had a heart to heart. pompeo said the crazies are taking over according to people familiar with the conversation. pompeo and milley worry worried he would-them hold on to pow per he lost the election and milley was reluctant about stopping that. this military won t be used, he assured pompeo. would the committee want to know about these kinds of conversations and why would that be important? this goes back to an early theme from the january 6th committee hearings when we heard bill stepien, a former trump campaign manager refer to these two teams in the white house, team normal and team crazy. so here, pompeo is clearly, through this retelling of the story, striking out his place in
pulling him in and anyway, donald trump s track record on telling things as they actually are is perhaps not as stellar as it might be. so what would be achieved? the biggest question, of course, is going to be for the justice department. do they feel they have enough to charge donald trump? that would also be very inflammatory for the country, but it is probably the more important question at the moment whether the select committee brings him in. all right. claudia, joyce vance, thank you for starting us off. katty kay, stick around. we have a lot more to discuss. getting done in washington last night catching everyone by surprise. after more than a year of stalled talks, senator joe manchin and chuck schumer possibly pushing the president s economic agenda over the finish line. it is a big deal and it is also a big bill and we ll talk about that with carolyn maloney if the house will be onboard as well
that setting in terms of saying he was part of team normal and he was not with team crazy. so perhaps this is more of that narrative that the committee wants to get down to is who was on what side and when we re looking at team crazy, how much pull they had, team normal, how maybe not as much pull they had when it came to then president trump. so this is clearly of interest to the committee and they want to continue to tell this story of the divide that occurred within trump s white house building up to january 6th and the day of. katty, this is a two-parter for you. does it surprise you that mike pompeo and along with mike pence is willing to talk to the committee and could pompeo end up being consequential to the committee as somebody like bill barr who said to the president, you know, the idea that the election was stolen was bs and he hadn t seen evidence and he was a definitive nail in the