nor now on the fox urgent from earlier. the associated press reporting north korea s internet service has gone completely dark. i m seeing some of you on social media saying, if with did this, don t say anything, don t tell them it was us. we don t know. the new york times newspaper also is reporting a cyber attack may be to blame. all comes after president obama and other u.s. officials said north korea was behind the cyber attack on sony pictures. mike baker is a former cia covert operations officer. he ll join us by satellite, obviously, and john bussey is assistant managing editor here at the wall street journal. ryle start with the reporting, john. that do you have? our cyber security reporter, based in san francisco, says that north korea s internet is basically down, but who knows why that is? was it a u.s. cyber attack? a coward counterattack? the north koreans turning it
well, this week started terribly and it keeps getting worse. that deadly hostage standoff in sydney, australia, giving way to that horrible terrorism attack at a school in peshawar, pakist pakistan, where some 145 people, mostly children, were killed by the taliban. mike baker is a former cia covert operations officer. he is now president and co-founder of diligence global intelligence and security firm. mike, great to see you. thanks so much for joining us. thank you. take us back for the week and give mae me your observations. a lone wolf attack in australia, a lot of conversation about whether or not we could see something like that in america. how should the u.s. be responding or preparing for such an event? well, we ve been preparing in essence for years now, and we ve talked about, you know, the threat of the individual attack. i think sometimes calling it lone wolf and we always have this same sort of problem every time there s one of these incidents, particularly recent
our, you know, consciousness and our society and culture. so influential. night after night doing that. in a business of impermanence. he found a way to stick it out, despite his only personal journey along the way. do you think colbert will do well? i don t know what to expect. i don t know who he is, other than his fake persona, what we see on the colbert show. how about you? what about me? i thought your hmmm suggested a thought. it s proof of how interesting i find your two takes. is that what that is? i don t need to have my opinion, you two are more than enough. the senate s report on torture found that brutal interrogation methods do not gather effective intelligence or they say they also did not lead to osama bin laden. does that mean that harsh interrogation methods don t ever work? we ll ask a former covert operations officer at the c.i.a. all the torture talk is
going to be more or less safe now as a result. at a minimum, two opposite views on this. let s get perspective. tom fuentes, cnn law enforcement analyst and former fbi assistant director and mike baker, former c.i.a. covert operations officer and president of diligence llc, a global intelligence forum. torture, tom fuentes, is as old a concept as violence itself. the assumption is it works and that s why it exists. you say that assumption is flawed, why? well i think, chris, that it works in a limited situation. but for the most part, the other techniques, actually work better. and i think the one-time torture to me would be you know, where it s justified to some extent is the ticking bomb, the nuclear bomb is about to go off in five minutes in manhattan and kill five million people and you don t have time to use some of the other techniques, which actually are more effective. but may take a little more time. mike how much of this is just
i am martha mccallum. bill: and i am bill hemmer. defendant needs on the 9/11 senate would not have found the not impersonal carrier any other way. here is michael hayden earlier this hour on america s newsroom. these interrogations gave us a home depot like storage of information on al qaeda which we are still relying on today. martha: mike baker former cia covert operations officer an ana global intelligence and security firm, good morning, good to have you with us today. diane feinstein rolled out this report, what was your reaction? first thought was over the way washington works. good to have reports and the policies and procedures, no