reporter ariane devogue. ariana, let me pick up exactly where jim left off and this notion of religious freedom. this does not mirror the obergefell decision. it is not precise by any stretch of the imagination. but because of federalism, because of what they ve accomplished in the court, can you just explain a little bit about why you think the religious liberty aspect of it was top of mind? right, well, in 2015 when the court issued obergefell, nobody would have thought that this bill was necessary, right. justice kennedy issued that sweeping decision, clearing the way for gay marriage nationwide. no one would have thought that this was necessary. and as you said, because of roe v. wade, you know, justice alito in that opinion said, look, this is, this opinion on dobbs is just about abortion. it is not about anything else. but then justice clarence thomas in that concurring opinion, he was not on that same page. remember he said that in future cases we should consider all of this c
the court issued obergefell, nobody would have thought that this bill was necessary, right. justice kennedy issued that sweeping decision, clearing the way for gay marriage nationwide. no one would have thought that this was necessary. and as you said, because of roe v. wade, you know, justice alito in that opinion said, look, this is, this opinion on dobbs is just about abortion. it is not about anything else. but then justice clarence thomas in that concurring opinion, he was not on that same page. remember he said that in future cases we should consider all of this courts due process presidents including griswold, lawrence, and obergefell. and remember that the liberals, they picked up on that right away. and said look, clarence thomas is not on the same page as alito. they started raising these alarms. and that s how we got to today, right. so, you talk a little bit about the religious liberty. we do see some exceptions here