they do counseling. psychotherapy. anna: it doesn t work for some people because they are not ready to go. how do you get your kid or loved one ready? you have to be ready the parent can never get the loved one, the k450eu8d, the husband, the brother. you can t get them to be ready. it s a personal choice you have to get through yourself. hit that bottom. and we all create that bottom? pete: were you there at that bottom? i was just going to say jay had many bottoms, you always think that s the bottom. and so a court incidents which we have had many back in the day, jay had a particular court incident when he was in his early 20 s, and our lawyer, who we love, he suggested send him to florida, jill, please, dear god, send him to florida. so we did. it was the hardest thing i could do but i did. he got actually sober for nine months and i was thinking yes, that s what we want. and then he used again and that was for several years. and then finally.