it s quite clear, there is a blurring of the line. there are no court facilities in this great sanctuary. our church is not pros they sizing, they re not showing religious movies, we re not handing out bibles. we are in that sense a venue and a set of volunteers. both law enforcement personnel and people surrendering said they felt safer coming to a church, more safe surrenders will be in austin and jacksonville, florida. jenna: i saw from your piece, they were from a first baptist church. is it only baptist church? no, churches actually sign up to be part of the program. they have to agree to it. one of the reasons this minister agreed to it is because they told him that when law enforcement approaches someone with a bench warrant they don t know how violent a person may be. if they feel threatened they might be. so a church is a safer environment. jenna: thank you.