and all your years as a federal prosecutor, when you talk about the strategy of moving from the small fries to the organizers, which you just described, which the attorney general described in i thought very helpful detail today, practically, does that make sense if they are looking at the organizers organizers of the overall coup effort, right? i mean, the radicalized americans who turned up at the capitol on january 6th, they are not necessarily connections, people who had connections to the trump white house or to top trump allies. how does prosecuting them get you to the people who organized the whole effort? we have to seven separate the two issues. that s how you get to the organizers of the january 6th events, the riot, the insurrection, the rally, all of that. that is exactly how you would want to work your way up from the people who invaded the capitol and were walking around as if it were a party to those who were beating the cops, to
an ordinary person, a wreck ideology on mainstream political view, it seems very wild to think that a small group of people could pose a threat to the most militarized superstate in world history. but if you are this group of white power activists they had a plan for self-styled terrorism, guerilla warfare, disrupting infrastructure, sabotage and assassination. and they took a long view of gradual destabilization leading to race war that they believed could work. so this question of ability to carry out a plan came into play in ways that just were not translated very well, for instance in jury instruction. all right. although the psychological barrier of being able to imagine a coup effort working suddenly got a lot easier for everybody in the country, including you go presumably every member of some future jury a year ago this month. it s fascinating stuff in the history here. the history here is rich and dark and fascinating. and doesn t point in any one direction in a simple way.
imagine a coup effort working suddenly got a lot easier for everybody in the country, including every member of some future jury, a year ago, this month. it s fascinating stuff in the history, here. the history is rich and dark and fascinating. and doesn t point in any one direction, in a simple way. professor kathleen, university of chicago, author of the excellent book, bring the war home i m glad you re able to be here. thank you. thank you. all right, we ve got much more ahead. stay with us. with us
small fries to the organizers, which you just described, which the attorney general described in i thought very helpful detail today, practically, does that make sense if they are looking at the organizers of the overall coup effort, right? all of the work they have put in. i think they will, as he pointed out today, start to slowly work their way up to the organizers, to others who were conspiring, as he put it, to obstruct the counting of the electoral college, which is, in and of itself, a separate federal crime. however, the open question, which you so correctly pointed to at the top of the show, is separate and apart from january 6th, is there a department of justice investigation into efforts by a number of people that has been publicly reported to overturn the election? with january 6th being perhaps the culmination, perhaps the last gasp attempt, but certainly not the center of the scheme.
success b a strategic failure. this is what congressional oversight is supposed to do, whether you agree with a given policy or a given president, this is a frank discussion of these really serious issues, including the loss of life and problems in the afghanistan withdrawal something that overwhelmingly most americans support in spirit. general milley recounted efforts to thwarthat was an increasingly sloppy and serious coup effort by donald trump. he wanted to stay in power but didn t know how to pull that off. trump was unhinged aft losing the election. am certain that president trump did not intend to attack the chinese, and it was my directed responsibility from the secretary to convey that intent. my task at that time was to de-escalate. we know what happened and so unlike some stories that are