however, that doesn t mean that the fbi should stop focusing intently on characters like oleg deripaska and others, russian oligarchs, russian business men who clearly were engaged with individuals associated with russian intelligence, like constantine kilimnik to undermine our democracy in 2016. that investigation, the counterintelligence implications of that investigation i would be pretty confident continue to this day. the trend lines here are not good. in 2016 russia interfered. the question was did they get help from the trump team, that s not been able to stand up. but in 2020 you had rudy giuliani openly meeting with the ukrainians tied to russian intelligence who seemed to be providing him deliberately and him accepting some false information about joe biden. you have a very real possibility of trump running again. i wonder where has the country been left after all this, if you
i m representing my client. now, a lots of the president s allies have grown increasingly uncomfortable with the way rudy giuliani has been representing his client, but we will see what he has to say on the other side of this trip, jim. sara murray, thank you very much. with us now the former director of national intelligence, james clapper. you look at this. ukraine is crawling with corrupt politicians, folks with axes to grind with russia, folks in the employ of russia. these are the kinds of folks he seems to be meeting with, the president s personal attorney. is it likely he is getting played by them? that s one possibility. whether the counterintelligence implications of a trip like this, but it appears to me that there is a single-minded determination to they will continue to try to get dirt on the bidens and/or substantiate the proposition that it was ukraine that interfered in the election in 2016, or some
business interests are the subject of investigation by sdny, now on top of that both usa today and cnn are reporting that mayor giuliani appears to be the subject of a counterintelligence investigation as well. a counterintelligence investigation? i mean, what we assume that means, to put it in layman s terms, is that giuliani appears to be part of an ongoing investigation as to whether this whole gig is some sort of foreign influence op. something that a foreign government or foreign intelligence service is running here. to influence or compromise or hurt the united states of america. now, the main source for that reporting is a lawyer who says he was interviewed by fbi counterintelligence agents months ago, like, february and maernlg march of this year about giuliani and his kerkconnectiond business dealings abroad and potential counterintelligence implications. we re going o speak to that lawyer tonight here in a moment. he has very unique insight into
business dealings abroad and potential counterintelligence implications. we re going to speak to that lawyer tonight here in a moment. he has very unique insight into the relevant part of the world here and specifically into someone who appears to be one of the most important parts of this whole scheme. there is an incredible clown car of characters here, right? giuliani, himself, says he s been getting strategic advice and information on this scheme that he and the president were trying to pull off in ukraine from paul manafort who was the president s campaign chairman who is now in federal prison. in addition to manafort, the new york times just yesterday published an eye-popping profile of the specific guy in ukraine who has fueled this whole effort by trump and giuliani by writing up a seven-page english language dossier of disproven allegations against joe biden which has given rise to this whole scheme. according to reporters andrew kramer and michael schwartz at the new york
welcome as a private citizen to testify and members may direct their questions to whoever they choose. with that, director mueller, you are recognized for any opening remarks you would like to make. good afternoon, chairman schiff, ranking member nunes and members of the committee. i testified before the house judiciary committee this morning and asked that that opening statement be incorporated into the record here. without objection. unique jurisdiction and you are interested in further understanding the counterintelligence implications of our investigation. let me say a word about how we handled the potential impact of our investigation on counter intelligence matters. as we explained in our report, special counsel regulations effectively gave me the role of