the president. leland: we bring roger back in, where i believe can hear us now. we ll toss the poll numbers back up. quinnipiac has kamala harris just two points behind joe biden. roger, to you. she is now in the top tier. arguably the woman on the rise now. what does she do with that 20%? does she take it out for a spin or just keep trying to add to it? first off, thanks so much for having me, leland. any candidate who sees a bump like this would be well served by keeping their head down and focusing on the organizing work. especially in iowa and the new hampshire and south carolina and nevada. there is a major counter component to this, that a lot of folks don t focus on too much. on our side, it s very easy to peek too early or peaked too late. i grew up working for john kerry, and you could very well say that governor dean peaked too early in 2003 and 2004. a lot of people say if the iowa