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room. she calls it a supreme dereliction of duty. is that criminal? could the former president face charges for that? well, let me put it this way, don. the failure to act for three hours and seven minutes is a dereliction of duty. but it s about the fact that he set it in motion and then failed to act, right? the analogy i would make is it s one thing to walk past a burning building metaphorically speaking and do nothing. it s another thing to flip a match onto it, set it on fire, and then do nothing. i think that s a better analogy for what the president did here. i believe he should have criminal liability here for attempting to obstruct congress in counting the electoral vote, for election interference, potentially for inciting the riot. but i think there s several bases he needs to be investigated in a very serious way criminally by merrick garland. thank you. verdict reached. elizabeth holmes found guilty on multiple charges and she is now facing up to 20 years in prison.
deadlocking on three of those charges. each guilty count carrying a maximum of 20 years in prison. i want to discuss now with harry litman, a former u.s. attorney. harry, good to see you. thanks for joining. thank you, don. this is a mixed verdict. she is convicted on one count of conspiracy to commit wire fraud and three counts of wire fraud against specific investors. but you re saying it s ess essentially as severe as if she had got convicted on everything. how is that? that s basically right. first you re right. it is a split verdict. the jury essentially didn t believe the government had carried its burden when it comes to her bilking of patients. and they did believe it when it came to investors. but, yeah, it s a total knockout blow because it carries about the same sentence as if they had run the table because in fraud cases like this, the sentence is
driven by the amount of the loss. the patient counts had not very much loss at all. we re talking about hundreds of millions of dollars. rupert murdoch, $100 million alone. the devos family $100 million alone. when you apply that in the guidelines, you re looking automatically at a sentence, a real sentence, unless the judge decides to depart downward significantly, in about the 15, 16, 17-year range. moreover, the sentencing judge can even take account of the conduct that the jury didn t find her guilty, even acquitted her of. it sounds a little like a mixed bag. it isn t. it s a thumping, and the government is triumphant today and holmes camp is deressponde what happens to the three charges where the jury couldn t get a verdict? will there be a mistrial on those counts? well, there is already because they couldn t reach a verdict, and it will be the government s prerogative to try
republic, defend democracy. and of course, that is exactly what this debate over the senate rules is about is about defending our democracy, being able to have the senate function, being able to have the republic. and we have kind of these two big things on a collision course for this month, this month of january. are we going to save the senate as a legislative body? are we going to save our republic by defending the right to vote? it is deeply disturbing. i mean, because, look, no matter what political persuasion, they all believe they are defending democracy. that is what is terrifying about it. something so blatantly subjective about, you know, something to crucial. i appreciate your time. thank you. thank you very much. and next, the breaking news. the jury in the trial of elizabeth holmes founder of the failed blood ittesting startup theranos, right, once the richest woman in america reached a verdict. details, next. plus, we will take you inside a hospital where covi
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