and your experience in new york and our experience here in arizona is as we often tried to reach out and expand coverage. we were stunned with the additional incremental costs that came with that. and often our costs projections, as you saw in new york, were way with off base. but wasn t the idea behind the individual mandate basically saying to people who do not buy insurance, since you re going to get the care, we re going to charge you something so that when you get it, you ve paid for it. is that a notion you think is fair at its root? no. because at some point, you have the right as an american to be dumb and not carry insurance. but you should also have the responsibility to deal with the cost of that action. but do you think that that person should then be denied care when they get to the hospital? no, you provide the urgent care that s needed, and then you also have to have that individual understand, because
and our experience here in arizona is as we often tried to reach out and expand coverage. we were stunned with the additional incremental costs that came with that. and often our costs projections, as you saw in new york, were way with off base. but wasn t the idea behind the individual mandate basically saying to people who do not buy insurance, since you re going to get the care, we re going to charge you something so that when you get it, you ve paid for it. is that a notion you think is fair at its root? no. because at some point, you have the right as an american to be dumb and not carry insurance. but you should also have the responsibility to deal with the cost of that action. but do you think that that person should then be denied care when they get to the hospital? no, you provide the urgent care that s needed, and then you also have to have that individual understand, because they chose not to participate in
yeah. it s absolutely a fair notion. and your experience in new york and our experience here in arizona is as we often tried to reach out and expand coverage. we were stunned with the additional incremental costs that came with that. and often our costs projections, as you saw in new york, were way with off base. but wasn t the idea behind the individual mandate basically saying to people who do not buy insurance, since you re going to get the care, we re going to charge you something so that when you get it, you ve paid for it. is that a notion you think is fair at its root? no. because at some point, you have the right as an american to be dumb and not carry insurance. but you should also have the responsibility to deal with the cost of that action. but do you think that that person should then be denied care when they get to the hospital? no, you provide the urgent care that s needed, and then you also have to have that
but the fact of the matter is, that person is going to have their wages garnished. they re going to be being pursued for years for that cost. so how do you create well, no. how do you create programs that provide access to at least that major medical, the types of insurance, so we have we minimize those folks who are uninsured. look, i think everybody who s been in government, as you have been, and i have been, wants to minimize the number of people without insurance, and that was one of the things we did in new york, was try to drive down the cost of getting insurance, but when people still refuse to buy it, yet they get the care, who should pay for that? should they, in fact, be held responsible for that? do you think that that s a fair notion? yeah. it s absolutely a fair notion. and your experience in new york and our experience here in arizona is as we often tried to reach out and expand coverage. we were stunned with the additional incremental costs that came with that. a