being under investigation as well in a coup doesn t pump the brakes on any of it is truly remarkable as well. charlie savidge to you and katie benner thank you so much for being here today, garret haake who informs just about everything we do around here, thank you so much. and director brennen who knows just about anyone on all this, thank you for starting us off today. when we come back we ll have an opportunity to speak with congressman adam schiff himself. we ll get his thoughts on the exchange we played for you and the rest of today s hearing and the special counsel s testimony. plus justice for officer michael fanone, the man who brutally assaulted him at the surrection at january 6th at sentence him today. the judge called him a one-man army of hate. the reaction from officer fanone as he was led away to prison. and later in the show what is it with billionaires and their supreme court besties? the very latest ethics scandal
bias, wasn t it? that was why they had to stop with permission bias and he wouldn t go there. outside this particular russia investigation issue towards the end of the hearing he offered a kind of stout defense of the washington post post-watergate norm that justice department criminal case decisions have to be independent. white house interference with those matters is inappropriate and wrong. and of course the whole, you know, trump-led, you know, doj reform movement at this point trump is openly saying he s going to direct investigations into his enemies if he gets back into trial. and very few of his rivals for the nomination are willing to openly criticize that. and so durham was an unstable presence here even in this very sort of partisan charged atmosphere. garret haake, you covered this today. i want to show you an exchange between adam schiff, which is bubbling and generating a lot of
a hearing today about mr. durham s probe into the russia investigation. it s where we begin with some of our favorite reporters and friends. the new york times washington correspondent charlie savidge is here. he did the definitive piece of reporting on the durham report earlier this year. also joining us senior capitol hill correspondent garret haake, and former cia director now msnbc senior national security analyst john brennen. i want to start with you. that question from zoe lofgren seems to come from a revelation that the public learned about from your reporting. mr. durham doesn t directly answer it, but he certainly doesn t deny anything you ve reported. what did you think of that? well, obviously my ears picked up at that point. i should hasten to say adam goldman and katie benner were coauthors on that piece. scattered throughout this hearing which was mostly just republicans railing about the
were not the in fact the russians trying to get involve in the trump campaign or be involved in the 2016 election in a significant way? and nothing in the durham report undercuts any of those findings by mueller or the team that predated him over jim comey. i think that s why you would two wholly separate conversations wholly dealing with that paper report in front of them going on in that hearing room for five hours today. it s such a good description. director brennen, i want to deal with what charlie and garret have both reported. our viewers are down in the weeds with well-versed folks, but i just want to put this out there. this critique that durham has that a full investigation was open instead of a preliminary is the one legitimate i don t know if it s even legitimate, but it is the one thing that he finds, it is the difference that he has with how it was done. at the end of the day for both
more important than mine mueller s answer was yes. now, that information was helpful to the trump campaign, wasn t it? i don t think there s any question the russians intruded into hacked into the systems, they released information. and that was helpful to the trump campaign, right? and the inclusion in the ica and the mueller investigation was that the russians intended to insist can you answer my question. that was helpful to the trump campaign, right? and trump made use of that as i said by touting the stolen documents on the campaign trail over a hundred times? i said i don t really read the newspapers or listen to the news. i m not reliable so i don t know that. are you aware of the stolen e-mails? i m not aware of that. so garret haake, durham s mandate is to investigate not