engaged, he s shuttering. and today at the opening, jonathan talking about people at the white house going out and saying and denying 48 hours later, get your story and now you go push it. why is it, it took them just as long to respond to rudy giuliani saying, i never said no one on the campaign colluded. i just said the president wasn t involved in the collusion. what is going on there that they re not busy. the government is shut down. there are not that many of them. it s not like it takes a long time to vote consensus. it s like family breakfast and nick mulvaney. the problem is the white house is short-staffed because of the shutdown. that s slowing some movements down but the principals, of course, are still there. in terms of giuliani, the west wing sort of felt like he s out of their control. there s moments he will go out and say things, and sometimes it s in corn sternation with the president and sometimes he freelances and they wave their hands like we had nothing to