that is the question, right, chris. the white house certainly is saying this is going to be a candid meeting, this is going to be a tough meeting, the expect the president to send tough messages of issues like ransomware, they re saying he s prepared to do that. they re also talking about how they also want to talk about areas where there could be coop presentation. cooperation. so i think one key question is how do you walk that line, how do you try to present those opportunities for working together as well as sending these tough messages. another thing that you spoke about with the secretary obviously is the fact that there will not be a joint press conference at the end of this so we will hear from president biden but we won t see the two of them together, sending any kind of messages to each other publicly. chris: harold, how vulnerable do you think president biden is to the comments you heard from secretary pompeo and others and kind of implied by our panelist, marc thiessen