intelligence agencies got information, and one case of a papadopoulos breaking to a foreign diplomat that he had contacts with a russian let me f finish point and carter page, who had gone to russia, been under investigation, who had been trying to been recruited by russian spies, this is credible. tucker: you re evading my question. should they have told donald trump that they were spying on his campaign? we talked to these guys surreptitiously. why did they keep that from him? because the information at that point was at the trump campaign was actively soliciting information from the russians, at least papadopoulos. and eventually carter page. to be when there s p no evidence no evidence are donald trump dead, no evidence now but also no knowledge of the fbi as to how far of the campaign it goes. whyn would you inform a potentil target of an investigation that they are being targeted? no fbi would do that. tucker: it s a political campaign. ififf this were happening on
try to knock it off. tucker: i thought i was going crazy. byron york, thank you. an fbi informant reporting to the obama justice department did secretly gather information on trump campaigner officials, but never told the trump campaign about that. all the usual geniuses demand that you not call this spying. okay. u what was it? joining us now is julian epstein, former chief counsel, democrat and house judiciary committee. why is that not spying? i agree with everything byron just said. you couldn t g caught up in us a magical thing tucker: i m not afraid th the debate is. a spy, would people think of a spy, a plant inside a campaign that is getting all kinds of information about the campaign operations. that is not what is happening here. by everyone s admission.at by everybody s admission, what happened here was the use of an fbi confidential informant, which is standard operation procedure in the fbi, once the fbi has evidence that a foreign government is trying to co-opt c
important to get to the facts of this case.he byron york has been covering this case from the very beginning. he joins us now. there s a lot of ways to interpret a fact set. let s go through, slowly, so we can understand it, what we know. my understanding is that we know that the obama fbi had an informant speaking to people in the trump campaign and reporting back to the doj. we do know that. we know that from the testimony of glenn simpson, the founder of fusion gps, and who hired christopherr steele, was the former spy to make the trump dossier. in his testimony to the senate senate, tucker: was a trumpmp campaignca aware of this? no. tucker: so there was someone working for intel/law enforcement agency, gathering information about the campaign, without its knowledge, and reporting back? according to simpson, it was someone who had volunteered, not recruited to infiltrate the
campaign? they did. tucker: they said they didn t. the fbi went to the trump j campaign in july of 2016 tucker: and warned them that theyy were looking at, spying on the campaign? that the russians were trying to infiltrate tucker: why didn t they both the campaigns, clinton andam trump campaign, because yu normally wouldn t. in the course of an investigation, you wouldn t go tell other people that might be caught up in illegal activity that they are tucker: you wouldn t tell the candidate? you have the obama administration not in an ongoing investigation. tucker: obama has come out against donald trump s candidacy, yet hisre fbi agents are conducting this spying. yet they didn t why not tell trump? do they believe he was working for putin? seriously. you make it sound like obama s commanding the fbi. tucker:nd it is his fbi. we don t know that, actually. there is zero evidence of that.
whoa, if trump is doing this to elizabeth warren next year, i ll be very worried. i think we can find some common ground. the idea of the fbi going into a political campaign, cooked in, is very disturbing. it shouldur be very, very the point we should agree on, the inspector general ought to look at at this, of the inspector general ought to determine tucker: like yesterday. whether it was kosher or not kosher. tucker: wer: have to go. if i find out another person on television lecture me about how there was no spying when there was spying, i will say, you are lying. is a semantical discussion. as a use of a confidential informant. tucker: they are barking at me. thank you. we got to go. patrons at a bar in parliament recently a reparations happy hour. because nothing compensates for historical sense like cocktails. the activists who organized it joins is next. i m all-business when i travel.