standard, and i used to be deputy chief of the criminal division in the southern district of new york, i wouldn t have touched a guy like michael cohen, especially if he s a convicted perjurer. that s robert costello after testifying in manhattan yesterday, and he could be the last witness the grand jury hears from before voting on an indictment for the former president. we ll break down what s next in the case in just a moment. meanwhile, more members of the oath keepers are held accountable for the violence on january 6th. and also ahead, what we re learning about the first face-to-face meeting between chinese president xi jinping and russia s vladimir putin since the invasion began. began good morning, and welcome to way too early on this tuesday,
there in manhattan. i want to bring in former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst glenn kirschner. let me tell you a couple things that jonathan dienst is reporting. he s expected to testify that michael cohen is a liar, a convicted perjurer. obviously they re trying to say that there s some sort of revenge at play here. two other points that these folks close to costello make is in a meeting february 2019 with kosz tell low, cohen blames trump for his difficulties and wants trump to pay, soond he has been embellishing his allegations. talk to me about that and how it could play into this grand jury.
one e-mail would be in response to something that just happened before. but when you cherry-pick have you been in touch with mr. trump? no. not yet. i m sure that i will speak to my client rudy giuliani and tell him and at some point i m sure trump will know. did rudy urge you to do this? no. i m the one who decided to do this. a lot of people cautioned me against it because i had nothing to gain. the only thing i m doing is trying to tell the truth to the grand jurors because i read all these lies in the media that are being promoted by one side. if you see the full picture, you know listen, if they want to go after donald trump and they have solid evidence, so be it. but michael cohen is far from solid evidence. this guy by any prosecutor s standard, and i used to be deputy chief of the criminal division in the southern district of new york. i wouldn t have touched a guy like michael cohen, especially if he s a convicted perjurer, not to mention as i said the 50 to 100
case. others did not. and now here we are this much time later where the facts haven t changed but they ramped up their investigation. and the d.a. is going to have to decide one way or another. i don t think it s necessarily predetermined that there will be an indictment in this case. and michael cohen doesn t know that for sure. and just knowing the decision point is at hand, trump s attorneys are suddenly very visible, carrie. here s one of them. joe tacopina on television essentially saying michael cohen can say of what he wants but michael cohen is a known liar. look, alan bragg once said, and i hope he remembers these words, he can t see a world in which he would base a prosecution of donald trump on the word of a convicted perjurer and felon like michael cohen. he s still a convicted perjurer. he s someone who s convicted of lying. and it s not about vengeance. it s all about vengeance for him. he s right in the sense that if michael cohen s on the witness stand a good def
money to avoid a public sex scandal in the manner that donald trump is allegeded to have avoided a public sex scandal they would be prosecute, the answer is 100% no. and we cannot as a society, pro-trump, anti-trump, left, right, want the weaponization of the justice system or a prosecutor s office to pursue political opponents with with rule of law. it s just not right and that s exactly what s happening here. i want to ask you about that, but first on the point you said about michael cohen, convicted perjurer. yes, and he served his time, but the fdny is not going to indict based on what michael cohen says. if they would have done that, they would have done that a long time ago. they heard from other witnesses, kellyanne conway appeared there, hope hicks appeared there. does any of that give you pause? yeah, well, it gives me