trees, 130 million in the state. paul: in terms of the human damage, the towns and homes and so on it s because people are building closer that s right. increasing development. i don t think environmentalists complained about that but that s also partly because of zoning regulations on the coast that really restricted development. that s exactly. paul: what about this trump point, that s gross mismanagement. he got a lot of criticism for the threat which turned out to be phoney threat that he d cut off funding but does he have a point about forest mismanagement? yes, the federal government and state government have really restricted the ability to manage forests and that includes tree trimming, logging, controlled burns. paul: why? because environmentalists oppose all of this. paul: they want natural growth? yeah, right, exactly, you to