people and bring them forward as an entity. that s really going to be the key. we have a 300,000 force afghan national army and air force. there s about 60,000 he depending on the number you look at taliban. there s a country of 38 million people. where the 38 million people of that country go is going to be the indicator in who reaches them. arthel: i hear you, sir. finally, we re talking about troop withdrawal from afghanistan, currently the plan is 5400 troops to be withdrawn within 135 days of the two sides signing the agreement followed by a gradual pull-out of 14,000 u.s. troops and you re going to have 17,000 foreign forces, mostly from nato, along with 9500 american forces that will remain also to be withdrawn in stages, i understand. general bowles, is this a good plan? and would a smaller contingent