rudy giuliani testified before a grand jury in georgia. the fact that he s a target, he s been formed he s a target of this investigation. how does that influences testimony? here s the thing, many people think they can just talk their way out of a testimony and maybe, you know, we ve seen rudy giuliani publicly, maybe thought he might have been able to save himself by talking. if his lawyers were smart, they would probably advise him to just keep his mouth shut because of the tremendous risk of jeopardizing his own rights, if he does ultimately get charged. would you plead the fifth during this? yeah and i ll be enough, that could take five or six hours because every question other than, you know, what s your name, rudy giuliani, so for instance, how long have you served as donald trump s lawyer? i plead the fifth because that could come up in a conspiracy trial. every possible fact. so hour after hour, there will
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what s so unusual about this particular case is, in most instances, people who plead guilty are cooperating and they re trying to get credit for cooperating so they can bring down their sentence. here, it doesn t really look like his cooperation has gone beyond what he may have already done in the grand jury and what he may have already testified to. very unusual. you don t see flynn being sentenced, you don t see gates being sentenced any time soon. they re looking to testify in a major conspiracy trial where they re going to get brownie points for having cooperated and being able to bring down their sentence. what is mueller s motivation here? because van der zwaan isn t the only person is robert mueller trying to send a message to them? you too could be in trouble? he s sending a message that when you deal with the special